Beyond Words with Barrett Grebing

What does it look like to care for someone when you don’t have the right words?

In this episode of The Sucky Sisterhood Podcast, Peyton sits down with Barrett Grebing, a pastor in Aledo, Texas, who has spent years walking with people through both joy and deep loss.

Together, they talk about:

•  What it looks like to support grieving families within the church 
•  Why trying to “fix” someone’s pain can do more harm than good 
•  How presence, humility, and awareness can change the way we care for others 

Barrett shares honestly about the tension many people feel when they don’t know what to say, and how learning to simply be present can be one of the most meaningful ways to support someone in grief.

This conversation offers a grounded and accessible perspective, especially for those who want to care well but aren’t sure how.

🔗 Connect with Barrett Grebing

Instagram: @barrettgrebing
Website: www.sharingnewlifealedo.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Welcome to the Sucky Sisterhood Podcast by Gathering Hope. I'm Peyton Lauderdale, host of the podcast and co-founder of Gathering Hope. Alongside Carol Vantyne, our co-founder and producer of this podcast, we're so glad you're here. This season is centered around the work we do through our Beyond Words workshop, where we equip healthcare professionals, ministry leaders, and others in the community to better support women who've experienced miscarriage, still birth, or infant loss. Over time, we realize that while there are many conversations about how to care for lost moms, there are far fewer that acknowledge the experience of those providing that care. One of our deepest hopes for this season is to help bridge that gap. In each episode, we're sitting down with people who walk closely with lost moms in some of their hardest moments. From medical professionals to counselors to ministry leaders, we're creating space for honest conversations about what that compassionate care can really look like. For some of our guests, this work is not only professional, but it's personal. And we want to acknowledge and honor that too. Each of these conversations has been a learning opportunity for us. They've reminded us of the importance of staying curious and listening well, and our hope is to bring understanding, perspective, and a more human side to these roles. Before we dive in, I want to take a moment to say this. We've come to deeply appreciate the weight that people in these roles carry. They're often present in moments that are incredibly tender and devastating, and that's not something that's always seen or acknowledged. So this season we want to be a space where people who walk alongside lost moms are honored too. Whether you're a lost mom yourself or someone who cares about lost moms, we're really glad you're here. Before we begin today's conversation, we want to start by sharing a story from a lost mom. These stories shared by women in our community reflect real experiences in some of the most difficult moments of their lives, and they bring awareness to things that often go unseen or are misunderstood. And while many of these moments are hard, we also invited our listeners to highlight the times when someone showed up with care, compassion, or left an impact in a meaningful way.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Something helpful was the pastor and his wife visiting us after my miscarriage. They sat in silence with us, acknowledging our hurt and loss. They brought a few days' worth of groceries for us so we could stay in and didn't have to worry about stepping out too soon. It was so unexpected but very needed and so thoughtful. Unhelpful things that happened were the church not knowing how to respond to miscarriage. I was in a Hispanic, Spanish-speaking church at the time. Perhaps culture plays a role on this topic because I've seen the pattern of, okay, it happened, move on and never talk about it again. There was no acknowledgement of the baby I was carrying, like he never happened. Healing and grieving were very confusing for me because of that.

SPEAKER_04 3:02

Moments like that are why these conversations matter. Behind every role, every title, every interaction, there's a real person walking through something incredibly vulnerable. And today we're going to talk about what it looks like to step into those moments with care.

SPEAKER_03 3:15

Today, Peyton is joined by Barrett Gribbing, a pastor at Summit in Alito, Texas. In this conversation, they talk about how faith and loss intersect, what the church gets right, and where there's room to grow in caring for lost moms.

SPEAKER_04 3:31

Hey Barrett, thank you so much for joining us on this episode of the Sucky Sisterhood Podcast. I just want to let everyone know before we get started, you are my pastor, and I'm so excited to have this conversation with you. Um, it it's always a little bit more comfortable for me to talk to someone I know pretty well. And I'm just I'm excited about this open and hopefully candid conversation. But welcome to the show. When we to open up the show, I just want people to get to know you a little bit. So tell us about yourself, who you are, kind of what you do, and then kind of tell us what drew you into ministry.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

Right on. Peyton, thank you for having me. I love what you all do at Gathering Hope. It is incredible. To be honest, this is my first time on a sisterhood podcast.

SPEAKER_04 4:16

Because you are a bro, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Because I am a bro, so that's a little new for me, but I want to, I I love what you guys are doing. So thanks for the invite. Thank you. Um, yeah, a little bit about me. I'm a pastor. I live in Fort Worth, Texas, with my wife, Krista. We've been married for 15 years, and we have three boys, three young boys, three, five, and eight. So our life is Legos and baseball, bugs, snakes.

SPEAKER_04 4:43

I love that bikes.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

It is, it's awesome. Like we hit the jackpot, and it's 100% chaos. And I've been a pastor here in I pastor Summit Church in Alito, Texas, and that's where we met. And I love you and your family and your husband. Before that, I was in Austin, Texas. I planted a church there for it. It was interesting. It was 18 to 35 year olds and empty nesters. So it was like everything that Summit is not.

SPEAKER_04 5:08

I don't even know. I mean, I'm so glad you're at Summit, but like what a switch for you.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

It was awesome. Like, and I love both, and and God's been super generous to us with how the same mission can run through different like age segments and ages and stages. So when we got the call to come up here, it was that is the same mission heart that we want people to be released to do ministry, but in a different age. I'm like, that's gonna be a fun challenge. I'm gonna love that. So I love it here. It's awesome. We've got good people and it's a great place for me and my family.

SPEAKER_04 5:41

Well, we are so glad to have you in Alito and Fort Worth. Um, let's jump into the conversation about lost families. And so, in your experience, Barrett, what are some of the moments where you have found yourself walking with lost moms, lost dads, lost families? What does that look like for you?

SPEAKER_01 5:59

I didn't realize how common this was. Um, especially coming from my previous ministry, doing a lot of I did campus ministry on college campuses before that, and then planting a church with a lot of young families or young people that were just getting married, like this didn't come up as much. And then I got here and we've got a full nursery and everything, and a full, full set of families and young families in the in the room. And when I got here, I I met you all and I heard kind of what was going on. And then it's one of those things like awareness when it when you see it and you hear it, it's like God opens up, oh, this is happening all around you, and you had no idea.

SPEAKER_04 6:38

So true. And I think that's really interesting that that's happened. I mean, obviously that happens for lost moms, but I yeah, I find it fascinating. I learn something new every day, but I find it fascinating that people who are not lost parents have the same experience.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Right. And it started happening with me with my buddies when around 30, I had five, like around five close guys. And we started talking about kids and having kids and infertility, and a lot of my buddies were going through they were lost, dads. And so that's how I I first saw it. And then we met and I got to hear more about gathering hope. And I'm like, oh, this is happening all over, and everyone knows someone who we're we're like a degree away all the time from being a lost mom or a lost parent. So I find myself walking through one, it's awareness, like I know now, and it's not uncommon for me to hear that. It's every couple of weeks or every couple of months I hear about something. Um, stopped by the gathering hope office a couple months ago, and I was like, I I just need how many tender, timely tender totes can you give me? And those roll around in the back of my car. And so that's been something my wife and I've like to do just as an initial initial thing. Like we hand them out to friends who don't know what to do. We've sent some across the country. It's a part of my ministry that I I'm still inexperienced with, but it is one of those things where I'm like it's all around.

SPEAKER_04 8:02

Yeah, yeah. I think that's some really good perspective for us to understand. And that's kind of the whole point of this season of the podcast is to so I shared before we we started recording that, you know, I'm I'm used to interviewing, you know, lost moms, a few lost dads. Um, but we really wanted to intentionally talk to people who surround lost families. And so you talked about your friends. What is it, what has it looked like for you to walk with church members? Like when someone shares that with you, what happens next?

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Yeah. Generally what happens next is I just try to listen. There's a lot. I mean, I've not gone through it, but being in ministry, you gather some get to be with people in their best days and their worst days. Everything from front of the altar, church at the altar for weddings to deathbeds and divorces and yeah. So initially, I think I first I just want to listen and hear people. There's so much that I'm learning that you can do to mess up that situation. Like I I think I'm a pretty relational guy, and I'm like, people don't need the trike comment. Like, if I can take my time with people and bring them into the presence of the father, that's probably the best I can do. But some silence, hugs when appropriate. I'm gonna ask you because I know you.

SPEAKER_04 9:18

Did you did you learn that the hard way?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

I had a mentor when I first started doing ministry 18 years ago, and he had lost his daughter, and somebody tried to say something really trite to him at a f at his daughter's funeral, and I think he cocked back and hit the guy in the face. And I'm like the response we all have what it's like, you know what you should do is hit the guy. Like, bastard hat off. It's probably the right response. Like that person's an idiot, they might have a meaningful heart, but most of what we just need to do is shut up and be near people. Yeah, that's probably the best response. Yeah. So I did not learn that through the stupid tact, somebody else did, and I was like, someone else did. I'm the right person.

SPEAKER_04 10:01

Honestly, the best way to learn, right? Like, I if I can learn through someone else's, like, no.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

Maybe not that.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Yeah, maybe not that. So if I had to guess, most people don't know like the emotional and spiritual weight that comes with it with the territory that's carried in your role. And so if you could offer lost moms a glimpse into your side of the room in those conversations, not that we need to carry that, right? No. But just if you could offer, yeah, what would you want them to know about your side of those conversations?

SPEAKER_01 10:35

I love my job. It is incredible. Like I get to sit front lines and watch people live out what God's called them to be. And and like I said earlier, like sometimes it is weddings, baptisms, celebrating promotions and graduations, but then it's also divorces and deathbeds and depression and all of that. And here's an example. Easter was the other week, and we're celebrating the resurrection of Jesus, and this is like Super Bowl Sunday for pastors. And I'm I'm sitting there and all the things are lined up. We've got a great team at Summit that that's making everything happen. And I'm thinking back to a conversation from a week or two before, and I'm like walking in trying to hide my timely tender toe to somebody because we're celebrating the resurrection of Jesus, which to me is the best story ever that we get to live into. And then I know this is it was everything for that family to be there that day.

SPEAKER_04 11:27

It absolutely was. I don't know who it was, but wow. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

And so sometimes as a like as a pastor, you're trying to do the best for people that you can. Um or a pastoral care person, like big language there, but uh a lot of times you feel inadequate. Like I feel the weight of wanting to give the best for people, and I know sometimes I won't. And that's that's tough. Like I want to honor their child well or honor grief well. And I know I don't always do that. Also, Peyton, I know you experienced this. I think we remember people's stories a lot longer than they think.

SPEAKER_04 12:02

And it just say more about that, please.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

Like some things I just miss, right? If if if it's a Sunday morning and you're like, hey, I've got this going on, or let's connect here, I'm like, please text me or put a little note and put it there because I'm gonna forget because whatever's going on. But sometimes uh okay, here's an example. The weirdest thing, I I care deeply about our people. I like to be like a shepherd pastor and everything, and I will be preaching and looking at people's faces, and I will be saying words, but I will in the back of my head, I'll be like, I can see the same aisle, and in the same aisle, there's someone over here who's having the hardest day in the world, whether it's through loss or grief or suffering or something like that. And then a row behind them, they are having the best time in the world. Their life is a 10 out of 10, everything they've ever prayed for. And it's like holding that intention. I'm like, oh, your heart just kind of opens up.

SPEAKER_04 12:55

Wow, that's eye-opening for me.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

It's weird because I think I've I don't know, something might be off in my head where I'm like saying the words that I've prepped before, but then also I'm like kind of praying to God. I'm like, what is that person? How are they receiving this? Don't let me mess this up.

SPEAKER_02 13:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Also, there's there's a weird sense for if you want to see like what's behind the curtain. Absolutely, yes. We carry moments home with us. So I I've gone from being with somebody after they passed away and getting in the car and just balling, and then pulling up to my house to hey, in 10 minutes we're leaving for the baseball game. That is everything for my son. Or we're going to a birthday party, and sometimes it's just like I can hold those it's it's hard to hold those two things in tension.

SPEAKER_04 13:36

Yeah, yeah. The other uh the other folks we're interviewing this season are medical professionals, and um, I don't know why I would have left you out of this. Yeah, but they often talk about they'll go into a room to support a lost family. For example, a stillbirth that they know um has happened and that baby is gonna be delivered, and they literally walk into another room where a baby is being born. There the tension there that you're speaking about that has to be so hard and so heavy to hold um to go and to go home to your family too. Not just like to walk over to to see someone who's having literally the best day of their life. And it's probably me crying on the third row. Um my left, your right. I am a Lutheran after all some semblance of you know predictability in my very unpredictable life. I like to sit in my spot. But but yeah, that is that is very eye-opening. And I think not just for me, for anyone who's listening, is gonna um they're gonna hopefully take that to heart. And I had someone else say, You don't need to worry about me in those moments. And I'm like, okay, maybe not in those moments, but you are a person who's part of my story. And I care about you. And so thank you for sharing that. That's really, really meaningful to share that with us.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

It's real, it's not a complaint. Got the best job in the world, but there's sometimes you're just like, oh, that was whiplash. And yeah.

unknown 15:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:11

Yeah. So maybe you might have the same answer. I'm not sure. But what has been the most surprising thing to you as you have walked with bereaved parents? Either about the work or about yourself? What's been the most surprising thing?

SPEAKER_01 15:25

A couple of things. One, and I think the most surprising was how common this is for lost parents, and it's it's still surprising to me sometimes. I'm like, oh uh now it's it's becoming more normalized. I'm more aware of what's going on, and so I'm like, oh, you need to talk to this person, or you're not alone in this, and I can say it not conceptually, but I can say it because I four rows away from you. People are going through this as well.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

So that's been surprising and kind of relieving to know that in the midst of a a lot of pain and a lot of grief, other people have gone through this. Something else that's been kind of beautiful to watch, and it might be beautiful and the beauty that only comes after pain is grief oftentimes reshapes our faith. And it doesn't necessarily like for some people, grief will destroy their faith. But but I oftentimes I see grief reshape people's faith with a different type of depth and a different trust and a hope.

SPEAKER_04 16:26

And that is when people genuinely say that, and like that that's their testimony of like, hey, this isn't like some sort of Bible fact or theological thing, but it's like, no, I trust deeper in the Father, and I don't have all the answers for everything, and I wouldn't wish this on anyone, but there's a depth of trust in the Father when people walk through grief and do the work of processing instead of just slapping some sort of trite phrase on it, because that's just I think you sacrum the nail on the head with that one because you tell me what you've witnessed, and I'll tell you what I've witnessed, is that people who have been allowed to openly lament and have had space for their grief to be acknowledged, their faith does turn into trust and hope, and dare I say it, gratitude.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:14

It is the people who have been suffocated and have been told you're too much or it's not okay that you've been grieving this long, who have received a message of some kind that what you're doing is not okay, and they've been stifled in that grief. Those are the people who their faith goes the opposite direction. As a pastor, what have you noticed a similar theme or no?

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Uh yeah, yeah. Like I I see it my primary work is not uh I I'm a I'm a pastor, but some of my passions align align more with like men's ministry. I love watching guys come alive and um realize what does it look like to be a son of God and navigate the world. And there's guys that come through that, when they come through that and they can openly confess their sin and openly be healed, it's just like they're just like unstoppable. And I think the same thing with with grief as well. It's like the okay, hear me out. It's like those old people, you know, when they get the crow's feet right here, or the lines here, or like the laugh lines, and you're like, this old woman I can trust because she's seen it all. And with that wisdom, oh that wisdom is not just an easy walk. Like with the with a lot of the pain comes a lot of healing, and a lot of the healing drives us. That's I think it's one of the biggest things that can that the Holy Spirit does. He's a healer for sure. And he binds up the wounds of the brokenhearted.

SPEAKER_04 18:43

Yeah, and that is not trite, it's true.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

No, it's it's true, and it's but it's it's different when you say the trite thing first versus because that's that's like cheap. It's the simplicity before complexity is just kind of like shallow, but simplicity after complexity is just like that's why that's just beautiful. Yeah. So yeah, really well. It's fun walking with people that see that and experience that.

SPEAKER_04 19:06

Are you thinking are there things that even well intentioned, whether it's something that you've witnessed or maybe even been part of, that can unintentionally make grief moments harder?

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Well yeah, yeah. Like the I yes. One having an answer for everything. Or or those kind of like minimizing statements. Well, at least it wasn't this.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

Well, the at least, the at least statement who started that?

SPEAKER_01 19:32

I don't know. Satan.

unknown 19:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

I'll say it. Probably. Did you really say this? Yeah, probably. That sounds like Satan. Same thing. Um, I don't think that's helpful at all. Trying to make sense of things too quickly I think can be difficult because there's seasons of our grief. And I I'm not a lost parent. I walk with a lot of people in different stages of loss and grief and death. Uh and and one of the things is it's there's there's milestones that need to happen and time that needs to happen, and different seasons of things that need to happen. And so rushing things I think can be the worst. Like, oh I uh you mentioned it just a little bit ago. Oh, you're still grieving this? It's like, heck yeah, I'm still grieving this. I'm gonna take this with me until I either see my child next to the father or until he wraps me up and bear hugs me.

unknown 20:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Calms my head and heart.

SPEAKER_04 20:31

Yeah, and those two things can be they you can still grieve and you can still experience the love of the father at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:40

And honestly, that is where I have found the most beautiful moments of like acknowledgement directly from the Holy Spirit of like, I see you in your pain. And um, you're not you are not alone in this. Um, you're not alone physically. There are I have planted other people around you, but you are never truly alone because I go with you wherever you go.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 21:01

And um, as far as the time thing goes, it's pretty taboo for us to talk about time in the grief community. No one wants to hear that um that time heals all wounds. It doesn't. But how could it? If there's anything I have become in life, it's somewhat of a disruptor. And I will say that there is a testament, yeah. Me, there is a testament to some time passing by.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:30

That it doesn't fix everything, but it really does take away some of the rawness of it. And yeah, if you have more to say on that, please do.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

On the time thing, I've seen it in someone's grief. It's not the same type of grief or pain or sinfulness, like in past things have been done to me or things I've done to other people. What's the guy's name? Well, on our front, Jelly Roll, you know him.

SPEAKER_04 21:51

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Yeah, sorry, here we go. He's always like, the front, the windshield is bigger than the rear view mirror, and he gives those like pet talk acceptance speech. Which is which cool, yeah, there's hope going forward and all that. But oftentimes in the rearview mirror, we can see more clearly what God has been up to. And and it's like through time we get a little bit of a distance and we can see, okay, this is how the story is unfolding. My pastor, you know this. This is you know my one of my favorite Hebrew words is Zakhar. It's remember. And God tells the people in the old testament, remember what I've done for you. Remember, He commanded them to remember his goodness, and His goodness didn't come in easy times. Like the Ten Commandments, everyone's like, These are the ten rules. And it's like, how does he start the Ten Commandments? I am the Lord your God, I am the Lord your God who brought you out of Egypt. And then he's retraining them how to be human. This is how you interact with me, and this is how you interact with everyone else. But it starts with that grace thing of like, I'm your God, remember that this is how you navigate forward. And so I think sorry, we have a little bit of a delay.

SPEAKER_04 22:57

The New Testament uh of that, of what you're talking about there is um one of my favorites from John, and he's uh say he's talking about how the Holy Spirit will remind you of everything I've ever done for you.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:14

And every way that I've been good, and every way that I have been there. And when we are so in the depths and we cannot see, there's no it seems like there is no light around us. That little spark of light is the Holy Spirit saying, Don't forget. And so just remember, don't forget, remind. I love I love how that all comes together.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

There's that thread of his like property through grace. Yeah. When we look backwards. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

Um, do you have maybe a a concrete example? Because we we really want to, like we we have so many stories that come into us of people who have been in faith communities and it has been really hurtful. Things that have been said to them, things silence where it's not appropriate, or just situations that have have made those things harder. But I also want to highlight the beauty and the good that can come from faith communities. And so, do you have an example that you've either been part of or witnessed of care for a lost family that's been done really, really well?

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Well, first off, it can look ugly and it can look beautiful, and that's one of the things when Jesus talks about his church, he talks about his bride. And and I know like deep in my heart, and this is something I think we were talking about this the other day. But it was the bride of Christ is beautiful, and sometimes we make her look really ugly. And that's something that's just like uh we're not perfect, but he loves us and he wants to restore us and all of that. So sometimes we mess it up royally, and I'll be the first to admit that. There are a lot of times of beauty though. The closest thing I can think of is what this looks like when it's beautiful, comes from my household and it comes from my wife. She has a quiet type, she's she's a goat, like she's an instigator and brings people together and and all of that.

SPEAKER_04 25:01

She really does.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

It's it's wild, it's scary. I'm like, who are you texting? What are you doing? And it's like, I'm just checking to this person. And she's like, What are you doing? I'm like, I I'm in a YouTube rabbit hole, but you're talking to people. Cool, way to go. Anyway, it's like we are not the co-pastor thing. Lutherans don't really do that. You will never see us on a billboard face side by side. That's cool for some people, not for us. But for her, it is she has this awesome ability to remember things. Like, God has wired her for that. And then sometimes I'll be like, I'll hop in the car or something like there's a receipt in here for flowers. You didn't bring me flowers, you're like, Yeah, it's done. Yeah, I took this person flowers. This is the second or seventh anniversary of their loss, or something like that. Or it'll be cards or coffee, and I'm just like, Oh wow. And and it is stuff that I've forgotten or don't have like in my calendar, and she just remembers it. And there are some people like that that it just remember things beautifully and honor in that way.

SPEAKER_04 26:02

How kind of the Lord to partner you with someone like that. Because people like you and me, we run like we run pretty hot. Fast and furious, and thank goodness that there are people that God puts really close to us. I've been the benefit of those texts and the drop by with a little gifty on the porch.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

Right.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

I have been the recipient of some of those things. You're right. She really does. Krista is masterful at that. I'll say that. She is.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

She is.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

Yeah. Yeah. And um, knowing that that the Lord needed to put the two of you together, I I just love how God.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

I try to reverse engineer it. I'm like, where's your tool? Where I've seen your calendar, it's not in there. She's like, it's in my head. Yeah. I care about people, and I'm like, I have to write things down to care about them.

SPEAKER_04 26:52

I have to put it in my phone. And I tell people that. Like it's just a practicality. If there's someone you care about, whether it's baby loss or or some other hard thing that's happened in their life, put it in your phone.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:04

Because if you are a person who has a very color-coded Google Calendar like myself, it doesn't mean that you don't care. But they we just we have to put some things in place. And so for people like you and me, we just have to put, we do have to. We either have to have a Krista or we have to have um, you know, a phone reminder that dings at us. But that is our kindness to that friend. Is like you're important enough to show up in the Google Calendar. I love you. You'll get your own color.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

You got yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 27:36

Yes. Um, if someone listening only changes one thing and how they care for a lost mom, what do you want that to be? And the the people listening to this podcast are fellow pastors, healthcare professionals, lost moms, people who care for people who care for lost moms. And so if you could uh see one change in someone, what would you want that to be?

SPEAKER_01 27:58

Don't try to fix it. Be there. I think there's something we talk about of the ministry of presence and being next to somebody. You don't have to say anything all the time. Sometimes it's appropriate to say something. Or if you have a relationship with them and you want to share some scripture with them, that can be appropriate, not always, but uh you're not there to fix it. You're not there to fix it. But you can be there.

SPEAKER_04 28:19

Really wise words to end this conversation. Thank you so much for being on the podcast today. My pleasure. If people want to connect with you afterwards, how can they do that?

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Uh if you are in North Texas on a Sunday, come on out to Summit Church in Alito. You could find me on Instagram or social or all that stuff, but it's lame. It's all like soccer and baseball and food or hunting or all sorts of stuff like that. But yeah, if you're in North Texas, swing bias.

SPEAKER_04 28:45

I can attest to that. I'll be there too.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

So she'll be in the third row on the on your right.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Thank you again, Barrett. I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Thanks, Peyton. Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

Thank you for being a part of this conversation. At Gathering Hope, we believe that caring well for lost moms goes beyond words. It looks like presence, understanding, and a willingness to learn how to show up in meaningful ways. Through our Beyond Words workshop, we continue to equip individuals, ministries, and healthcare professionals to support grieving mothers with compassion and care. If something for this conversation stayed with you, we'd love for you to take a next step. You can share this episode with someone in your life who wants to care well. Follow along with Gathering Hope on Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok, or visit gatheringhope.org to learn more about our Beyond Words workshop and how we can bring it to your community. And as always, whether you're a lost mom or someone who cares about lost moms, we're so grateful you're here.